University of Minnesota Chapter Recognized for Excellence in Evangelization

SPO's Chapter at the University of Minnesota was honored to receive an award for excellence in evangelization from the Catholic Campus Ministry Association (CCMA) at its national convention on May 31st. The convention took place in Bloomington, MN, gathering hundreds of leaders in campus ministry from across the country to talk about how to bring Christ to college students.  

The award highlights the fruitful collaboration between SPO and the Brotherhood of Hope, who serve together at the University of Minnesota, as well as on four other campuses around the country: Northeastern University, Rutgers University, Florida State University, and the University of Central Florida.


The partnership at the University of Minnesota began five years ago when Br. Ken Apuzzo was appointed as the Director of Campus Ministry at St. Lawrence Catholic Church and Newman Center, and has led to a resurgence of students encountering Christ and coming back to the Church.

Led by Robert Williams and Kayla Lynch, the University of Minnesota Chapter will have five Households in 2018-19 and is looking forward to another year of impacting over a thousand students with the transformative power of the Gospel!

Fan Into Flame

By Jake Walters, UST Freshman   

When I was invited to Fan into Flame by a good friend of mine, I was not sure what to expect at first. The last time that I went on a religious retreat was for confirmation and I felt that it would be very good to go to another retreat. I remember my friend telling me to just stay open to what the retreat had to offer.


When we first sang in worship, something that I do not do enough of, I remembered those words. I really let myself get into the music, feeling the power of praise and worship that we as a community of believers shared in honoring God. When it was time for baptism of the Holy Spirit, I was excited and anxious. I had never participated anything like it and once again remembered to just stay open to what the Holy Spirit had to offer me. When I was being prayed over, my small group brothers beside me, I felt a calming peace. I closed my eyes and welcomed the Spirit in. I felt the Spirit come to me and I saw fire! I saw hues of orange, red, yellow, and blue, I could feel the gifts of the Holy Spirit and joy filled my heart.


Later, when I was praying over my brothers, I could see that fire flowing through me and into them, the Spirit was connecting all of us together. This experience was so amazing and new to me. I feel so blessed to have been able to experience the power and the beauty of the Holy Spirit working within me! I am so thankful that I was able to come to Fan Into Flame and I can’t wait for next year!


Household: Expansion Pack Edition

By Bernadette Prickel, Senior UMN

Bernadette (left) with Sarah Spellins (Missionary at the University of MN)

Bernadette (left) with Sarah Spellins (Missionary at the University of MN)

Being the obstinate woman I am, it took a great deal of time, a multitude of missionaries, and the Lord’s abounding grace to get me involved in Saint Paul’s Outreach. Prior to my re-conviction of my faith, I was pursuing a lifestyle that was far from fulfilling, one that was slowly chipping away at who I was as a daughter of Christ.


It was only fitting that last Fall I balked at the idea of living in Household for the following year, after a few of my missionary friends encouraged me to apply. The very idea of living in community with other Catholic women, ones who were fully committed to living for Christ, seemed illogical to me at the time. I gave a multitude of excuses for why it would not work, but in reality I was terrified of the idea of being called on to a higher standard 24/7. I knew I wanted a deeper relationship with the Lord, but the idea of giving up my ways of the world seemed too impossible at the time.

Flash-forward to the Spring, I was kicking myself for not having jumped at the opportunity to live with such incredible women for my senior year. After a powerful experience at a Fan into Flame retreat put on by Saint Paul’s Outreach, I had finally immersed myself in the community, and wanted to have a solid foundation for my senior year to better walk this path of holiness. However, my fear of committing to Household earlier in the year meant that I was already in a year-long lease with women who would not be holding me to the same standards.


While this seemed like a travesty at the time, God’s grace was once again at work in how events were to turn out. After reaching out to our women’s Mission Director, Kayla, I was given the unique opportunity to do Extended Household with one of the women’s Households this year. I no longer was going to have to trudge through my last year without a support system, but rather was gong to have a place that would soon feel like my home.


To say this has been one of the most impactful experiences in my life would be an incredible understatement. While I thought I would be entering one of the toughest semesters of my scholastic career, one filled with a heavy course load and a living situation that was disinclined to encourage a Catholic lifestyle, I was given a refuge in this community of women.

On a practical level, Extended Household has given me the opportunity to join in the daily Morning Prayer with the women, weekly dinners on Sunday, and an open house that has intrinsically become my home away from home. Moreover, this opportunity has meant that I have been welcomed into a nurturing environment, filled with intelligent, hilarious, and ultimately holy women. This group of women continually builds each other up and fosters incredible faith formation, something extremely rare to see in women friendships these days. These women began as strangers and soon became my beloved sisters. They are women who have helped my growth in my relationship with the Lord and have encouraged me to live in the freedom that is life for Him. From after breakfast discussions to exciting adventures around Minnesota, these women have been my emotional and spiritual support system, and my cohorts in spontaneous escapades.

The past year has introduced such an incredible community into my life, one that I am eternally grateful to the Lord for placing in my life. The fact that I have been able to partake in it through Extended Household has been a blessing I never could have foreseen. Though there was a lot of anxiety as I approached this daunting school year, one I knew would contain many trials, the Lord continued to take care of me and blessed me with seven incredible women who have truly captivated my heart.


Barbasol Men's Night: Extreme Stations of the Cross

By Samuel Subler, Missionary at the University of Minnesota

It is custom for the Church to remember the death of Jesus on Friday afternoons by praying through the Stations of the Cross.  While this practice allows us to yoke ourselves to the cross, the Saint Paul’s Outreach Chapter at the University of Minnesota was able to attempt to endure some of the physical pain of the Stations through running the Barbasol Men’s Night: Extreme Stations of the Cross.  On March 2nd, through the generosity of Barbasol’s sponsorship, Saint Paul’s Outreach and the Brotherhood of Hope ran a night of prayer and exercise for University of Minnesota men.


    To begin the night, we welcomed men into the St. Lawrence Catholic Church and Newman Center gym to start our time of prayer.  A group of about 30 students, Missionaries, and Brothers gathered around the cross in the middle of the gym and prayed through the Stations of the Cross as a community.  In this time, we were able to meditate and pray on the sufferings of Jesus. After finishing up the time of prayer, we entered into a time of intense physical exhaustion and pain.  For each of the Stations of the Cross, a group of Missionaries and Brothers compiled a list of physical exercises to resemble the physical suffering of Jesus. Some of these exercises include walking through the gym on our knees to resemble Jesus being being condemned to death, an extended time of burpees for Jesus falling the third time, and suicide sprints to signify when Jesus died on the Cross.  

    Though this time was an exhausting workout for all, we invited the men to take the time of exercise as a prayerful experience as well.  Because of the exercises, many men expressed how they will never forget how much Jesus suffered during the Stations. We were unified to the suffering of Jesus through the experience we had in the gym.  During the 13th Station (The Body of Jesus is taken down from the Cross), we resembled the Station by doing lunges back and forth in the gym. Each time my knee hit the hardwood floor, I could not help but think of myself as holding the Body of Christ and presenting it to God the Father.  This exercise was extremely powerful because I was able to know how the Father forgives us for the sins that brought Jesus to the Cross. By the end of the exercises, all of the men were able to see how the pain and exhaustion we went through was nothing compared to what Jesus experienced on His way to the Cross while carrying the burden of our sin.

    After being yoked together as brothers in Christ, we met back at the Saint Paul’s Outreach Men’s Household for a fish fry.  Aside from the wonderful food which included fish, french fries, and fried cookie dough, the night was capped off well with a great time of fellowship.  The living room of the house was filled with men sharing stories and their experience from the Extreme Stations of the Cross Exercises. There was also an opportunity for healthy competition as many men made their way to the basement to battle each other in ping pong.

    This experience was made possible through the generous support of Barbasol.  Because of the sponsorship and support they show us, we are able to conduct and produce masculine environments that allow men to encounter Christ and authentic brotherhood.  Thank you Barbasol!


One Front Door to Rich Life in Christ

Here at the University of Minnesota we are blessed to nurture a close relationship with Catholic Students United. The approach to this relationship is that we would be "one front door" for students on-campus to encounter Christ. 

The community comes together very often and has something to offer everyone. Every week we host a Gopher Catholic Night, there are bi-weekly service projects, free lunches on Wednesdays for parishioners and students, Men's and Women's nights, as well as organic and spontaneous events that bring the community together. 

We kicked off this semester with Spring Leadership day where student leaders and staff came together to discuss our goals and vision for the semester. This day was filled with rich conversation surrounding how we can best welcome new students into our community. 

Student leaders, SPO staff and Brotherhood of Hope Brothers gathered at leadership day this January.

Student leaders, SPO staff and Brotherhood of Hope Brothers gathered at leadership day this January.

Each Tuesday night at 7:30 in the Whole of Coffman Memorial Union we host our weekly Gopher Catholic Night (GCN)! This is the main weekly event we have for any student to be able to join us and be a part of our one Catholic Spiritual Family!

t our GCN we aim to build strong community among students in a fun and engaging Catholic environment through various activities, prayer, praise and worship, and talks that are relevant to college students.

As SPO missionaries we help student leaders organize and put on these Gopher Catholic Nights. This is not only a great night for the students that come to GCN, but it also helps teach our student leaders how to lead their peers closer to Christ and build a great community.

Carl Swanson, a Senior at the U of M, gives an exhortation at our weekly Gopher Catholic Night.

Carl Swanson, a Senior at the U of M, gives an exhortation at our weekly Gopher Catholic Night.

What are we doing here?

What is mission? Why are we here? Why do a group of recent grads turn over their lives and leave their homes to spend all of their time wandering around college campuses and talking to 18 year olds and?

Why do we give so much effort to something that at time seems so futile?

These are questions every missionary asks themselves again and again. And these are the questions that often weigh on us when there seems to be no forward motion to the mission.

What is the cause of our desire to put ourselves into situations where rejection is a high and very real possibility over and over?

These questions are only answered with the Divine Indwelling. In the presence of the Trinity in our own hearts. Last Thursday, Joe Masek (Chapter Leader at the University of St. Thomas) spoke about Divine Indwelling, and how this makes us into mature disciples of the Lord.

Living a life of full-time mission catapults you into a world where you rely on knowing that God is close at all times. Your days are taken up by other people lives, and you enter into their stories and their struggles in very real ways. If you are to retain hope and love for those around you, you must become dependent on God’s love to sustain you.

In a special and particular way, mission leads  you into a new awareness of Divine Indwelling in your own heart. Your relationship with God becomes others-focused. The children of your intimate union with God is seeing the way students that you walk with respond to His love.

On the night Joe gave his talk, a student approached me and asked if I would pray with her though some things she was experiencing in her own walk with God. In a privileged moment, I got a glimpse into her soul, to see how the Lord was calling her onto a greater love than she had ever experienced before. I got to see her respond with a yes to receiving that same Divine Indwelling.

This is the cause of missionary hearts. The same Lord that is alive in us becomes alive in others, and we get a front row seat to witness to his power and love.  

A Time for Encouragement

The gift of encouragement is the drawing out of God-likeness in one another. Here at University of St. Thomas, we have been praying to walk in the gift of encouragement every day. Fall Outreach programs, events, and retreats have all been marked by the signs of encouragement. Our mission staff and student leaders are running together to draw out in each other all of the gifts the Lord. Over the course of the first two months of mission, the Lord has truly blessed Saint Paul’s Outreach at St. Thomas with so many things to be encouraged about and so many ways he has conformed us to himself.


At the end of August, our Household students moved in to begin our lives together. 16 men and 13 women moved in to six total houses. At our Household retreats, our mission staff was very encouraged by the excitement the students had to dive into the Household life. The students were ready to live a life where they challenge each other and build each other up in virtue. Our mission was off to an amazing start because the Lord did a marvelous work to unify our houses and prepare them to be communities of holiness and mission.


The power of the Lord was made evident in the way our Outreach presence at UST’s Welcome Week was felt. SPO hosted a Labor Day Cookout that drew about 200 students into our lives so that we could begin making connections with the campus. We followed up later that week with a Hog Roast. There were about 350 students who came through our lives that night! The Lord gave our student leaders a renewed gift of leadership that helped them achieve some of the best Fall Outreach events ever.


As our lives began to settle in to the day-to-day, the Lord has continued to encourage and bless us. He has given us his heart for his people, and our Mission Teams have taken off with this renewed heart. Our Evangelistic Small Group Mission Team has over 50 freshmen women signed up to participate. Our Tommie Catholic Mission Team has helped to run 4 nights of encounter that are open to the whole student body.

Jesus is working in power at the University of St. Thomas. As we run together, He builds us up in his own image and gives us the strength to be on mission with our whole lives. The Lord has sent us constant encouragement in mission and in our own lives of holiness by giving success to the work of our hands. Praise be Jesus Christ! All glory and thanksgiving to him!

Sending Off the UMN Class of 2017

By Rebecca Zamora, Mission Leader at the University of Minnesota

The spring semester is always a bittersweet time of year: there is much to be grateful for, but there are so many goodbyes to say. The University of Minnesota is graduating an amazing senior class this year. The past four years have been hugely transformative in the history of Saint Paul’s Outreach and the Brotherhood of Hope’s campus ministry here at St. Lawrence in Dinkytown; and a lot of these seniors have been around from the very beginning. They have witnessed a huge increase in attendance at weekly Mass, the birth of our weekly Gopher Catholic Nights, the beginning of Catholic Students United, and the growth of the Household and Formation programs. They have served as executive board officers, team chairs and co-chairs, small group leaders, speakers, and retreat coordinators. They have learned what it is to be welcomed into a loving community and have graciously passed that love of Christ onto many, many, new students.

At the end of each school year, we set aside a Gopher Catholic Night in order to honor the seniors. It takes the form of a "retreat sharing" night: the seniors go up one by one and share the ways that they have been impacted by our community. There was a lot of joy and laughter as the seniors recalled their first few days in college. While there were some common threads between students' testimonies, there were two common denominators throughout all of their stories: 1) The importance of a personal relationship with Christ, and 2) The impact that a community of disciples running after the Lord together makes.

As a Mission Leader, it has been so inspiring for me to watch this particular senior class discern God’s call for their lives. They have been brave and bold in their prayer lives, seeking to be open to whatever the Lord might have for them, and taking many different steps in their faith - even when the direction seemed unclear. Getting to walk with these students as they filled out countless job applications, prepared for many job interviews, and waited patiently for answers has been such a privilege. I am confident that these 25+ young adults are going into the world faithfully following the path that God has set out for each of them.

In this picture below there are engineers, nurses, linguists, marketing strategists, and missionaries. In a couple of months they will be scattered across the country - some even going abroad. There is not a doubt in my mind that they will continue to seek the Lord, even in the trials that come with transitioning into a new phase of life. 

God has richly blessed our community here at the University of Minnesota through these incredible students. They will be greatly missed! Please keep them in your prayers as they go forth from here into the next chapter of their lives!

Lives Changed at Fan Into Flame 2017

Minnesota’s Fan Into Flame retreat always seems to come at the perfect time for students at the University of Minnesota (UMN) and the University of St. Thomas (UST). Just when schoolwork  picks up and stress levels rise, God gives His children an opportunity to: 

  • get away for the weekend
  • to encounter a loving and joyful community (many for the first time) 
  • to enter into a deeper relationship with all three persons of the Trinity

One of our many student leaders, Mitch Gutenberg ( UMN junior) had a few thoughts and reflections from the weekend:

“This was my third Fan Into Flame, and I truly felt prepared for everything  on this retreat. There’s nothing like the first night at the camp where everyone is full of excitement and  anticipation. The mix of nearly 200 students from the University of St. Thomas, University of Minnesota, St. Cloud State University, and a few out-of-town schools all coming together created such a positive energy.

I was a small group leader this time around, and it was incredibly clear to me that God was working in each of my small group men, through different struggles they each carried on their shoulders. They were all very open and willing to share which, to me, showed a great trust in the Lord. Their vulnerability showed me a true belief that this retreat could have a huge affect on their lives.


    We spent a whole days worth of preparing our hearts for a greater release of the Holy Spirit into our lives through talks and group discussions. Once Saturday night arrived, we joined together for a time of group prayer and worship. I was a little apprehensive going into it. A lot of my small group guys hadn’t had a lot (or any) experience with charismatic prayer. So as we entered into a state of prayer, I welcomed Him to use me however He saw fit in order for Him to work. As we began to pray over one another, I was blown away at the depth which my brothers were willing to invite the Lord into their lives.

    I am always so thankful for this retreat and awestruck by the community of believers that I have been blessed to come to know and call my brothers and sisters in Christ. The atmosphere of this retreat is something that I have only ever experienced when with these men and women who are so whole heartedly giving their lives up to the Lord. There is so much joy, passion, and love that I could never do justice to in mere words. I am grateful that I have been given the opportunity to have been a part of this amazing experience.”

Check out more pictures on our Flickr page!

Over 600 Celebrate Mardi Gras at SPO's 31st Annual Benefit Banquet

by Liz Falconer, senior at University of St. Thomas

Like many college students on Mardi Gras, I spent Fat Tuesday surrounded by friends, food, and celebration. However, my friends included over 600 Missionaries, students, and supporters of Saint Paul's Outreach (SPO). We shared a glorious feast in downtown St. Paul celebrating the mission of SPO to bring the Catholic faith alive on today's college campuses.

The students and Missionaries in attendance boldly live out their Catholic faith and encourage me to do the same. I can personally attest to the fact that the Lord has done amazing things through the Mission Leaders and Student Missionaries of Saint Paul's Outreach. This community attracts college students who are searching for meaning and purpose by radically living out their faith. It is apparent these people are set apart, because each individual is encased in the truth and joy of a personal relationship with the Lord and encourages others to do the same. For this very reason, I and thousands of other students are drawn to the mission of Saint Paul's Outreach. As a result, it is no surprise that SPO will reach more than 17,000 college students this year alone.

Such success would not be attainable without the support of our generous donors and alumni. Through the donation of time, talent, prayer, and monetary gifts, countless individuals have supported the mission of SPO since its founding in 1985. Being surrounded by 600 of these generous donors was an honor and blessing. Here, I and the other students and Missionaries were given the opportunity to meet these supporters and express our gratitude in person. Throughout the night, I was continuously inspired by the stories of these individuals and their willingness to give so abundantly in faith.

Students and staff of SPO (l-r): Joe Masek, Sean Healy, Andy Kaufer, and Alex Spanton.

Students and staff of SPO (l-r): Joe Masek, Sean Healy, Andy Kaufer, and Alex Spanton.

Students and staff meeting SPO donors.

Students and staff meeting SPO donors.

Each year, the Benefit Banquet honors an individual, couple, or group that embodies the generosity, humility, and spirit of service of the late Bishop Paul Dudley. This year, Monsignor Aloysius Callaghan was selected to receive the Bishop Paul Dudley Servant Leadership Award. Monsignor Callaghan has granted SPO access to the St. Paul Seminary residence halls and chapels for its annual summer conference, the School of the New Evangelization (SNE). This week-long training in August teaches SPO college students how to share the Catholic faith with their fellow classmates. It is through generous and willing servants like Monsignor Callaghan that the mission of Saint Paul's Outreach is made possible. We are so blessed by his support!

Students and staff brought the night to a close by leading the room in a song of worship, "How Great is Our God," by Chris Tomlin. Many joined in, and soon everyone was on their feet, thanking our God for His greatness and abundant blessings. We also thanked all who were in attendance of the banquet and who made the night a success. Without the many hands and hearts investing in Saint Paul's Outreach, this organization would not be where it is today. On behalf of all the SPO students whose lives have been changed, I offer a sincere "thank you!" to everyone who has supported this wonderful organization. 

(l-r): Gordy DeMarais, Monsignor Callaghan, and Bishop Andrew Cozzens.

(l-r): Gordy DeMarais, Monsignor Callaghan, and Bishop Andrew Cozzens.

SPO students and staff lined the stage and led a song of worship at the end of the banquet.

SPO students and staff lined the stage and led a song of worship at the end of the banquet.

Abe gross (left) led a rendition of "Our Lady of Knock" to honor  Msgr. Callaghan (right) after he was awarded the Bishop Paul Dudley Servant Leadership award.

Abe gross (left) led a rendition of "Our Lady of Knock" to honor  Msgr. Callaghan (right) after he was awarded the Bishop Paul Dudley Servant Leadership award.

To see more moments captured from the banquet, click here to view our Flickr album.

What Does a Men's Retreat Even Look Like?

by Max Puffer, SPO student at the University of St. Thomas

When you hear of a “Men’s Retreat” you probably don’t imagine a bunch of college-aged men in a lakeside cabin opening their hearts to Jesus. But that is exactly what happened at the SPO Men’s Retreat in December of 2016! Around 40 men from the University of St. Thomas, University of Minnesota and other colleges went up north to the small town of Cook, Minnesota to grow as brothers in Christ. The retreat started with a nerf war and water pong, setting the stage for sessions with topics such as forgiveness and what it means to be a son of God. After introducing each topic, we broke off into groups of two to discuss and pray. Men were encouraged to reject lies we had listened to in our lives, to stop placing our self-worth and identity in success or money, and instead to place our trust in God’s promises. We reaffirmed each other’s dignity as sons of God and renewed our baptismal vows. The retreat also touched on the difference between bitterness and forgiveness. Men wrote down names of persons they had a difficult time forgiving and prayed an act of forgiveness towards these persons. After gathering back together, we shared how God had entered our hearts and started breaking down what was sometimes years of resentment to replace it with His love and mercy.

We had some extended break time Saturday afternoon to explore the area more and to rest up. Some guys went and played a huge game of football on a frost-covered field at the local high school while others stayed at the cabin to pray and contemplate on what they had heard. After the break, we discussed what it meant to live as beloved sons of God free from condemnation, despite our sins and weaknesses. We had a fantastic dinner and were joined by the local pastor, Fr. Drew, who had come to celebrate Eucharistic Adoration and the Sacrament of Reconciliation with us.

For three hours, we worshipped the Lord in Eucharistic Adoration. We had the monstrance set up on a table in the cabin’s living room. We prayed for grace to let all we had learned into our hearts and to let God move us toward being better men living for Him. Men sang praises and chants glorifying God and living in his freedom. After worship, we went out on the porch to smoke cigars and unwind. We made a fire and threw in the booklets we received at the beginning of the retreat as a symbol of God’s mercy and our newfound freedom in Christ. As each guy came up to burn his book, he shared with the group what the Lord had done in him on the retreat. After a good night’s sleep, we celebrated Sunday Mass at the local parish and carpooled for the 4 hour drive back to the Twin Cities. We left deeper in our faith and with the mission of bringing the love and mercy we had received back to our campuses.

Students Set Aside Saturday Nights to Honor the Lord's Day

Students Set Aside Saturday Nights to Honor the Lord's Day

Weekends are often seen as a catch-up time for college students, whether it means spending time with friends, getting extra sleep, or working on homework. However, at the University of St. Thomas in St. Paul, Minnesota, students in the Saint Paul's Outreach (SPO) community gather on Saturday evenings to participate in a Lord's Day celebration. They put Lord's Day prayer into action. 

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Made for More: Fall Retreat at the University of Minnesota

By Danielle Shupe, senior at the University of Minnesota

Shupe (front left) and the rest of the Fall Retreat planning team

Shupe (front left) and the rest of the Fall Retreat planning team

It is through the love of the SPO community that I found the love of Christ Jesus. As a senior at the University of Minnesota, I look backwards and am eternally grateful to those who reached out to me my freshman year and invited me on the Fall Retreat. They sparked a small flame in my heart, and it has flourished.

That was our aim with this year’s Fall Retreat at the University of Minnesota; to ignite the hearts of new students. Over one hundred students of all ages spent the weekend at a beautiful retreat center in Osceola, Wisconsin. Surrounded by fall colors, we praised and worshipped, heard talks and student witnesses, and spent time together bonding and building up our community.

The theme of this year’s retreat was “Made for More.” We wanted to open the eyes of our students to their own constant search for happiness and to remind ourselves that only the Lord truly satisfies us. Watching from the background as one of the retreat directors, I was so in awe of how the Holy Spirit worked in so many hearts this weekend.

The evening session on Saturday night was especially notable. Accompanied by guitar and piano, we sang our praises and had a time of intercession where we spoke aloud words of thanks to the Lord. After a talk from Father John on the importance of dying to self, we separated into our women’s and men’s small groups. These small, student-led groups spent the weekend discussing what they were hearing and how it was applicable to their lives. Then, in our prayer meeting, the students took turns standing in the middle of their groups and asking the Holy Spirit to work in a specific way in their lives. The students laid hands upon one another and prayed for each other’s intentions. During this time, these students were able to connect with one another and with the Lord, and they were able to become vulnerable and open to His work.

During one short weekend, I saw new students raising their hands during adoration with tears streaming down their faces, freshmen and seniors alike laughing with the priests and sisters during breakfast, and a community opening itself up to new students, allowing no one to be the odd one out. It’s amazing how much the Lord can work in two and a half days if we have the courage to say, "Yes."